Comments on: ‘Suffer the children’: ACLU http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/09/02/suffer-the-children-aclu/ Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer Mon, 13 Feb 2012 05:22:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Conservative Thinking http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/09/02/suffer-the-children-aclu/comment-page-1/#comment-35518 Conservative Thinking Sun, 23 Oct 2005 03:11:15 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/09/02/suffer-the-children-aclu/#comment-35518 <strong>A Letter To ACLU Supporters</strong> Hello, this is Jay from Stop The ACLU. Chris has invited me to guest post here sometimes. Thought I would start this out with this post, because it is a nice short summary of why I am against the ACLU.... A Letter To ACLU Supporters
Hello, this is Jay from Stop The ACLU. Chris has invited me to guest post here sometimes. Thought I would start this out with this post, because it is a nice short summary of why I am against the ACLU….

]]> By: Ogre http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/09/02/suffer-the-children-aclu/comment-page-1/#comment-35500 Ogre Fri, 07 Oct 2005 09:44:07 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/09/02/suffer-the-children-aclu/#comment-35500 Viamund, you are a sick, twisted shell of a human being. If I ever see you near children espousing your "egocentric love," I will physically kill you. Your brain is not fully developed. Seek professional help, now, before it's too late. Viamund, you are a sick, twisted shell of a human being. If I ever see you near children espousing your “egocentric love,” I will physically kill you. Your brain is not fully developed. Seek professional help, now, before it’s too late.

]]> By: Viamund http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/09/02/suffer-the-children-aclu/comment-page-1/#comment-35517 Viamund Fri, 07 Oct 2005 02:33:15 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/09/02/suffer-the-children-aclu/#comment-35517 Well WONDER WOMAN I will not argue with you about the importance of a healthy erotic life. Still we diverge when it comes to AGEISM and the concept of " CHILD ". I cannot comment on your perceptions of what that word means. To examine history is to observe the changing views of youth. I disagree with those who seem to feel that N.A.M.B.L.A. is espousing the right to RAPE children. You must realize that children develop at a different rate. ALSO in terms of sexuality you corrupt the child by instilling these sex negative views. What do you even consider sex to be? It is not those acts I am sure that many would suspect. The goals of N.A.M.B.L.A. are not to allow RAPE - as a rapist is a rapist -. It is to allow youth to explore their own individualism in terms of self. Children are by nature VERY egocentric. They require support and love in their persuits as well as caution. I admit there there are many who are by my estimation not placing there partners before them. Still that will be found in ALL relationships. It is not my intention to offend anybody here - although I suspect that is not a view shared by all here-. I try to present a different side so that this site will at least be interesting. What we need truely is an organization that is prepared to address the RIGHTS of youth as indiviual HUMAN beings. They deserve far more than they are allowed. Certainly VOTING is my my opinion something that should be based on desire and ability as opposed to some abstyract age. ALSO I admit I am not the best at typing and I did notice the typos in my last post but I am a busy mans and so I cannot always take time when submitting a post. I'll check back here from time to time. It is good to at least encourage a dialog even if we do not agree. Well WONDER WOMAN I will not argue with you about the importance of a healthy erotic life. Still we diverge when it comes to AGEISM and the concept of ” CHILD “. I cannot comment on your perceptions of what that word means. To examine history is to observe the changing views of youth. I disagree with those who seem to feel that N.A.M.B.L.A. is espousing the right to RAPE children. You must realize that children develop at a different rate. ALSO in terms of sexuality you corrupt the child by instilling these sex negative views. What do you even consider sex to be? It is not those acts I am sure that many would suspect. The goals of N.A.M.B.L.A. are not to allow RAPE – as a rapist is a rapist -. It is to allow youth to explore their own individualism in terms of self. Children are by nature VERY egocentric. They require support and love in their persuits as well as caution. I admit there there are many who are by my estimation not placing there partners before them. Still that will be found in ALL relationships. It is not my intention to offend anybody here – although I suspect that is not a view shared by all here-. I try to present a different side so that this site will at least be interesting.
What we need truely is an organization that is prepared to address the RIGHTS of youth as indiviual HUMAN beings. They deserve far more than they are allowed. Certainly VOTING is my my opinion something that should be based on desire and ability as opposed to some abstyract age.
ALSO I admit I am not the best at typing and I did notice the typos in my last post but I am a busy mans and so I cannot always take time when submitting a post.
I’ll check back here from time to time. It is good to at least encourage a dialog even if we do not agree.

]]> By: The Wide Awakes &#38;#187; ACLU Resists Megan&#38;#8217;s Law Reform in California http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/09/02/suffer-the-children-aclu/comment-page-1/#comment-35516 The Wide Awakes &#38;#187; ACLU Resists Megan&#38;#8217;s Law Reform in California Thu, 06 Oct 2005 20:46:12 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/09/02/suffer-the-children-aclu/#comment-35516 [...] It is unconscionable that such elected officials as Dymally, Goldberg, and Leno (all Democrats, of course) could at once claim themselves to be servants of the body politic, AND basically work toward elevating one of the lowest life forms residing therein. If I am not mistaken, there are certain freedoms that convicted felons forfeit as a result of their convictions, even after their release. When some misplaced effort at restoration of their &#8220;rights&#8221; has the clear potential of putting the public at risk &#8212; such as is the case with the perverse and highly recidivistic crimes discussed here &#8212; we trust our elected officials to protect the weakest, the most vulnerable. They are NOT supposed to toe the ACLU ideological line that espouses freedoms for any number of reprehensible activities, such as the &#8220;right&#8221; to distribute child pornography, or support of NAMBLA&#8217;s &#8220;right&#8221; to corrupt young boys. [...] [...] It is unconscionable that such elected officials as Dymally, Goldberg, and Leno (all Democrats, of course) could at once claim themselves to be servants of the body politic, AND basically work toward elevating one of the lowest life forms residing therein. If I am not mistaken, there are certain freedoms that convicted felons forfeit as a result of their convictions, even after their release. When some misplaced effort at restoration of their &#38;#8220;rights&#38;#8221; has the clear potential of putting the public at risk &#38;#8212; such as is the case with the perverse and highly recidivistic crimes discussed here &#38;#8212; we trust our elected officials to protect the weakest, the most vulnerable. They are NOT supposed to toe the ACLU ideological line that espouses freedoms for any number of reprehensible activities, such as the &#38;#8220;right&#38;#8221; to distribute child pornography, or support of NAMBLA&#38;#8217;s &#38;#8220;right&#38;#8221; to corrupt young boys. [...]

]]> By: Stop The ACLU &#38;#187; Blog Archive &#38;#187; ACLU Resists Megan&#38;#8217;s Law Reform in California http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/09/02/suffer-the-children-aclu/comment-page-1/#comment-35515 Stop The ACLU &#38;#187; Blog Archive &#38;#187; ACLU Resists Megan&#38;#8217;s Law Reform in California Thu, 06 Oct 2005 20:36:34 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/09/02/suffer-the-children-aclu/#comment-35515 [...] It is unconscionable that such elected officials as Dymally, Goldberg, and Leno (all Democrats, of course) could at once claim themselves to be servants of the body politic, AND basically work toward elevating one of the lowest life forms residing therein. If I am not mistaken, there are certain freedoms that convicted felons forfeit as a result of their convictions, even after their release. When some misplaced effort at restoration of their &#8220;rights&#8221; has the clear potential of putting the public at risk &#8212; such as is the case with the perverse and highly recidivistic crimes discussed here &#8212; we trust our elected officials to protect the weakest, the most vulnerable. They are NOT supposed to toe the ACLU ideological line that espouses freedoms for any number of reprehensible activities, such as the &#8220;right&#8221; to distribute child pornography, or support of NAMBLA&#8217;s &#8220;right&#8221; to corrupt young boys. [...] [...] It is unconscionable that such elected officials as Dymally, Goldberg, and Leno (all Democrats, of course) could at once claim themselves to be servants of the body politic, AND basically work toward elevating one of the lowest life forms residing therein. If I am not mistaken, there are certain freedoms that convicted felons forfeit as a result of their convictions, even after their release. When some misplaced effort at restoration of their &#38;#8220;rights&#38;#8221; has the clear potential of putting the public at risk &#38;#8212; such as is the case with the perverse and highly recidivistic crimes discussed here &#38;#8212; we trust our elected officials to protect the weakest, the most vulnerable. They are NOT supposed to toe the ACLU ideological line that espouses freedoms for any number of reprehensible activities, such as the &#38;#8220;right&#38;#8221; to distribute child pornography, or support of NAMBLA&#38;#8217;s &#38;#8220;right&#38;#8221; to corrupt young boys. [...]

]]> By: TMH's Bacon Bits http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/09/02/suffer-the-children-aclu/comment-page-1/#comment-35514 TMH's Bacon Bits Thu, 06 Oct 2005 12:18:24 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/09/02/suffer-the-children-aclu/#comment-35514 <strong>ACLU in California Resists Megan&#8217;s Law Reform</strong> It seems that the Golden State has outdone itself as the Kook Capital of the United States: child molesters and rapists are a protected class of citizenry there. ... ACLU in California Resists Megan&#38;#8217;s Law Reform
It seems that the Golden State has outdone itself as the Kook Capital of the United States: child molesters and rapists are a protected class of citizenry there.

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]]> By: Ogre http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/09/02/suffer-the-children-aclu/comment-page-1/#comment-35513 Ogre Thu, 06 Oct 2005 11:14:13 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/09/02/suffer-the-children-aclu/#comment-35513 Wow. Only 14 comments before anyone who disliked people molesting children is called a Nazi. Hey, if wanting to punish people who sexually abuse children is a Nazi, sign me up. Viamund, hopefully one day you will wake up to the reality of the world. I doubt it. I'll pray for you. Wow. Only 14 comments before anyone who disliked people molesting children is called a Nazi. Hey, if wanting to punish people who sexually abuse children is a Nazi, sign me up.

Viamund, hopefully one day you will wake up to the reality of the world. I doubt it. I’ll pray for you.

]]> By: Wonder Woman http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/09/02/suffer-the-children-aclu/comment-page-1/#comment-35512 Wonder Woman Thu, 06 Oct 2005 02:26:19 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/09/02/suffer-the-children-aclu/#comment-35512 Viamund, I am not a prude. In fact, I am just the opposite. I happen to think that an active and adventurous sex life is healthy and important. And you're right about one thing: Sex for pleasure is not something a person should be ashamed of...Unless you vicitimize someone to get it. That is where you and I violently diverge. First I will say...Protecting my children from anyone who would exploit their naivety, is not about "property", it's about my responsibility as their parent to protect them from the emotional and physical damage that would be inflicted upon them, by a common deviant, such as yourself under the guise of 'love' and 'consent'. And don't give me the horsecrap about it being harmless or the ability of children to give informed consent. I spent many years working through the damage inflicted on me, by a loving and affectionate caregiver like you, and if I had him in front of me now, I would trade the rest of my life away in jail, to strangle the life from him, in retribution for the pain I suffered while he engaged in his "harmless act of fun". And you choose to condemn me, because I dare to judge you? What you propose as acceptable is vile, cruel and the lowest form of debauchery and you deserve to be judged in the harshest terms possible. Pray you never meet my children, lest you be judge by the muzzle of a gun. In response to your comments about the I.Q.'s of the posters here...Be careful. If you're going to insult someone elses intelligence, you might want to hit spellcheck first. Viamund, I am not a prude. In fact, I am just the opposite. I happen to think that an active and adventurous sex life is healthy and important. And you’re right about one thing: Sex for pleasure is not something a person should be ashamed of…Unless you vicitimize someone to get it.
That is where you and I violently diverge.
First I will say…Protecting my children from anyone who would exploit their naivety, is not about “property”, it’s about my responsibility as their parent to protect them from the emotional and physical damage that would be inflicted upon them, by a common deviant, such as yourself under the guise of ‘love’ and ‘consent’. And don’t give me the horsecrap about it being harmless or the ability of children to give informed consent. I spent many years working through the damage inflicted on me, by a loving and affectionate caregiver like you, and if I had him in front of me now, I would trade the rest of my life away in jail, to strangle the life from him, in retribution for the pain I suffered while he engaged in his “harmless act of fun”.
And you choose to condemn me, because I dare to judge you? What you propose as acceptable is vile, cruel and the lowest form of debauchery and you deserve to be judged in the harshest terms possible. Pray you never meet my children, lest you be judge by the muzzle of a gun.
In response to your comments about the I.Q.’s of the posters here…Be careful. If you’re going to insult someone elses intelligence, you might want to hit spellcheck first.

]]> By: Viamund http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/09/02/suffer-the-children-aclu/comment-page-1/#comment-35511 Viamund Thu, 06 Oct 2005 01:37:25 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/09/02/suffer-the-children-aclu/#comment-35511 The most frightening words for most prople who post here is that "Children are not your property". They are living beingings who have a right to their own dreams, privacy, sexuality, socio-political views. Even when they differ from yours. Whatever 2 or more consenting individuals do amongst themselves in private in their own business. Yet again we must bear with those NAZI-mentality types who would have the right to exercise their oen brand of control in regards to their sexually perverted views of the flesh and reality in gerneral. Sex is not evil. It is this absurd notion that it is something more than the act or procreation or the means of physical pleasure that is why we have so much hatred. The sad part is that those who scream and chant really do not approve any opposing views. They only want their loud crying to drown out any intelligent debate. You should know that sex is harmless and it is this perverse cultural attitude toward it that results in guilt and fear and shame where none should exist. It is those who cry out that such harmless acts of fun ar anything more than just that. People like you who have created this world where love takes a back seat to yet more " isms ". As the civilazation gradually matures it begins to see these wrongs. You will be seen as the same jokes that history reveals - those who praise those rules that build yet more artificial barriers amongst HUMANIY. Racism, religions, nationalism, tribalism, sexism, ageism. I wonder how many of you who post here with such virulent hatred have even high enough I.Q.'s to tie your own shoes - I bet velcro is popular amonst you lot -. Who am I. I am a man who is not afraid to speak the truth. Okay go ahead and cry some more. The most frightening words for most prople who post here is that “Children are not your property”. They are living beingings who have a right to their own dreams, privacy, sexuality, socio-political views. Even when they differ from yours.
Whatever 2 or more consenting individuals do amongst themselves in private in their own business. Yet again we must bear with those NAZI-mentality types who would have the right to exercise their oen brand of control in regards to their sexually perverted views of the flesh and reality in gerneral. Sex is not evil. It is this absurd notion that it is something more than the act or procreation or the means of physical pleasure that is why we have so much hatred. The sad part is that those who scream and chant really do not approve any opposing views. They only want their loud crying to drown out any intelligent debate. You should know that sex is harmless and it is this perverse cultural attitude toward it that results in guilt and fear and shame where none should exist. It is those who cry out that such harmless acts of fun ar anything more than just that. People like you who have created this world where love takes a back seat to yet more ” isms “. As the civilazation gradually matures it begins to see these wrongs. You will be seen as the same jokes that history reveals – those who praise those rules that build yet more artificial barriers amongst HUMANIY. Racism, religions, nationalism, tribalism, sexism, ageism. I wonder how many of you who post here with such virulent hatred have even high enough I.Q.’s to tie your own shoes – I bet velcro is popular amonst you lot -. Who am I. I am a man who is not afraid to speak the truth.
Okay go ahead and cry some more.

]]> By: Smoke Eater http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/09/02/suffer-the-children-aclu/comment-page-1/#comment-35510 Smoke Eater Mon, 03 Oct 2005 15:49:08 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/09/02/suffer-the-children-aclu/#comment-35510 The Bill of Rights does protect all people here as long as they excercise their rights RESPONSIBLY. It kind of comes back to the old story. You are told that you can say anything you want, as long as you speak in a responsible manner. So, when you go into a crowded, dark movie theatre and yell "FIRE", you are arrested, even though you were just "excercising your right to free speech." What about the people who paid to see a movie, don't they have a right NOT to be tricked into a PANIC over a fake fire? Don't they have the right NOT to be trampled by those trying to get out? You see, you DO have rights, but you ALSO have to be RESPONSIBLE for your actions. Any person who believes that the B.O.R. protects actions such as having sex WITH A CHILD, needs to go back to school, or just GO AWAY! The Bill of Rights does protect all people here as long as they excercise their rights RESPONSIBLY. It kind of comes back to the old story. You are told that you can say anything you want, as long as you speak in a responsible manner. So, when you go into a crowded, dark movie theatre and yell “FIRE”, you are arrested, even though you were just “excercising your right to free speech.” What about the people who paid to see a movie, don’t they have a right NOT to be tricked into a PANIC over a fake fire? Don’t they have the right NOT to be trampled by those trying to get out? You see, you DO have rights, but you ALSO have to be RESPONSIBLE for your actions. Any person who believes that the B.O.R. protects actions such as having sex WITH A CHILD, needs to go back to school, or just GO AWAY!

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