ACLU And CAIR, I Swear
(Via Fox News)
GREENSBORO, N.C. – Traditionally, witnesses taking the stand in court are sworn in by placing their hand on the Bible.
But when Muslims in Guilford County, N.C., tried to donate copies of the Koran for courtroom use, judges turned them down.
Chief District Court Judge Joseph Turner says taking an oath on the Koran is not allowed by North Carolina state law, which specifies that witnesses shall place their hands on the “holy scriptures,” which he interprets as the Christian Bible.
“We’ve been doing it that way for 200 years,” he said. “Until the legislature changes that law, I believe I have to do what I’ve been told to do in the statutes.”
But the Council on American-Islamic Relations and the American Civil Liberties Union are challenging the Guilford County Courts.
I just think it is strange they fight to get all traces of Christianity out of the Courts, schools, and government, but fight to put Islam in. I’ll be showing some examples of Islam in the public schools later in the week.
Speaking of the friendship of these two extreme organizations….Michael Graham was fired for saying Islam is terrorist religion. Shouldn’t the ACLU be protecting his free speech, or do they only protect anti-American speech now? Beth accurately notes that WMAL has succumbed to the pressures of those who are known to have terrorist ties. She has a very telling email exchange posted, a must read. It is a free speech issue, but I guarantee you, the ACLU won’t be caught dead near this one.
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“I just think it is strange they fight to get all traces of Christianity out of the Courts, schools, and government, but fight to put Islam in.”
its really not that hard to understand that preventing establishment and promoting free excercise can be accomplished by removing religious references or allowing diverse religious references.
Then they should pick one or the other instead of pushing one on people, and fighting against the other.
“or allowing diverse religious references.”
IF this country was founded on DIVERSE religions…I would agree. IT WASN’T, it was founded on Christianity. Like it or not…doesn’t make a difference to me or matter one way or another. It is what it is and there isn’t anything YOU can do to change that.
Wasn’t formed on islam, buddhism, paganism, atheism, wicca, etc.
You couldn’t fit them in 229 years ago and you can’t fit them in today.
Try as you might…the People won’t let you, the law and Constitution won’t let you and history won’t let you!
I’m probably a diamond in th e rough on this one, I think that NC law should be amended to specify what constitutes Holy Scriptures. If it were me making the decision, I would limit it to the Bible, Torah, & the Quaran, but that’s just me. I do agree that the ACLU’s stance is primarily to remove Christianity and Judism from public life
My point is, If I’m a Jew, should I swear on the New Testiment?
I think that this judge has slightly over-reacted, but he has cause to do so until the NC Legislature amends the statute.
And from the other side, I think that it was admirable for the Mosque to offer to donate the Qurans to the court. In my opinion (and I could be wrong) it shows that they want to be active in their communities in a postitive way.
The really funny part of this story is the fact that the ACLU contacted the Mosque offering to represent them in a suit against the judge, they refused.
Gribbit are you saying ACLU made the initiative to sue? I called the ACLU for mere questions last week and still waiting for that return phone call. : )
“IF this country was founded on DIVERSE religions…I would agree. ”
but we’re not founding a country. Were using the rules set down by the founders.
“Were using the rules set down by the founders.”
You have to recognize what they are before using them!
I think that if you’re against letting Muslims swear on the Quoran, you’re missing the point of the swearing in. Swearing on a Christian bible means nothing to Muslims; if you don’t believe in Christianity, swearing on a bible does nothing to compel you to tell the truth. Fear of burning in hell for lying after swearing to God not to is the truth-motivator.
I am an Atheist, and once took something called an “affirmation”, meaning I double-promise to be honest, even without a Bible.
I just don’t see this as a major issue. If you can have someone swear to be truthful on a document that has some personal meaning to them, they are less likely to lie.
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“You have to recognize what they are before using them! ”
And they gave us 2: free excercise and no establishment. No wonder there are 2 different responses to the theocrats.
Dan, I see nowhere in the post that said I was against them swearing on the Koran. Read it again and show me where I said that. I just merely said it is strange they fight Christianity in the public square and government, but sue to put other religions in, such as Islam and Wicca.
For a prime example, they are sueing one city council over prayers that are “too Christian”, and at the same time trying to get Wiccan prayers put in place.
I think they should just choose one route or another. Don’t we all have equal rights to religious expression?
The ACLU seems determined to pull down all Christian symbols but equally as determined to support other religious symbols.
Make no mistake. CAIR does not stand for tolerance. The leaders have so stated.
Go to Saudi, and see what one takes the oath on. Not the Bible, as the Bible is even not allowed in the Kingdom.
My prediction: The judge in this case will be overturned. But the intention of that NC law does not recognize the Koran as “holy scriptures.” Is affirmation (without a holy book) allowed in NC? Not all states have that provision.
It seems like CAIR is a clear and present danger to the security of this nation. Why are these people still on American soil?
Why are these people still on American soil?
Ask fark.
Very nice