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		<title>By: Save The GOP</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/08/18/aclu-lawyers-at-gitmo/comment-page-1/#comment-34975</link>
		<dc:creator>Save The GOP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2007 02:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The ACLU Strikes Again&lt;/strong&gt;

Oh how I hate the ACLU.  They are now advising the captured prisoners down at Gitmo (including Taliban and Al-Qaeda) that they have the &#8220;right&#8221; to not answer the interrogators questions.  Way to go ACLU!  I can always count on you to become...</description>
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<p>Oh how I hate the ACLU.  They are now advising the captured prisoners down at Gitmo (including Taliban and Al-Qaeda) that they have the &#38;#8220;right&#38;#8221; to not answer the interrogators questions.  Way to go ACLU!  I can always count on you to become&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Real Teen- Right on the Right &#38;#38;#187; Blog Archive &#38;#38;#187; Stop the ACLU Blogburst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Real Teen- Right on the Right &#38;#38;#187; Blog Archive &#38;#38;#187; Stop the ACLU Blogburst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Isn&#38;#8217;t it ironic that the ACLU wants our government&#38;#8217;s secrets released so the enemy can see, yet they tell our enemies they have the right to keep their secrets from our interrogations? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Isn&#38;#38;#8217;t it ironic that the ACLU wants our government&#38;#38;#8217;s secrets released so the enemy can see, yet they tell our enemies they have the right to keep their secrets from our interrogations? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Say Anything - North Dakota&#38;#38;#8217;s Most Popular Political Blog &#38;#38;#187; Recapturing The Heady Counterculture Ethos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Say Anything - North Dakota&#38;#38;#8217;s Most Popular Political Blog &#38;#38;#187; Recapturing The Heady Counterculture Ethos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] At the end of the day it is all nothing but politics.&#38;nbsp; The NSA story is just a means to an end.&#38;nbsp; Something that can be manipulated and used as a political weapon.&#38;nbsp; The real story here is the damage all this is doing to our ability to prosecute the war on terrorism.&#38;nbsp; The ACLU has filed FOIA requests to make parts of this espionage program public, yet simultaneously they are busy telling detained enemy combatants that they don&#38;#8217;t have to reveal their secrets to U.S. interrogators.&#38;nbsp; The information that started this entire controversy was the result of an illegal leak to the media. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] At the end of the day it is all nothing but politics.&#38;#38;nbsp; The NSA story is just a means to an end.&#38;#38;nbsp; Something that can be manipulated and used as a political weapon.&#38;#38;nbsp; The real story here is the damage all this is doing to our ability to prosecute the war on terrorism.&#38;#38;nbsp; The ACLU has filed FOIA requests to make parts of this espionage program public, yet simultaneously they are busy telling detained enemy combatants that they don&#38;#38;#8217;t have to reveal their secrets to U.S. interrogators.&#38;#38;nbsp; The information that started this entire controversy was the result of an illegal leak to the media. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: thanks</title>
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		<dc:creator>thanks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 04:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good blog</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good blog</p>
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		<title>By: Kender</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2005 06:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand what is so hard to comprehend about human rights vs. American Rights....

	People caught by our military are getting much better treatment by their captors than those caught by the terrorists are getting from those same terrorists....

	Yet, people that are caught by our military are NOT, let&#039;s say that together kids, N-O-T to be afforded teh protections of our founding documents if they are NOT American citizens....and if they are NOT a recognized combatant (GC standards; wears a uniform of an enemy that has lawfully declared war for one), then that &quot;detainee&quot; is NOT afforded the protections of the GC....

	Why can you people on the left NOT understand this simple premise?

	I swear, you gusy are like a bunch of petulant six year olds.....you are old enough to know better than to throw a fit when you don&#039;t agree with the truth, yet you continue to thorw yourselves down in the aisle and beat your little fists against the floor and scream at the top of your lungs, so to speak.....maybe you all need a good spanking with a nice hickory switch eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand what is so hard to comprehend about human rights vs. American Rights&#8230;.</p>
<p>	People caught by our military are getting much better treatment by their captors than those caught by the terrorists are getting from those same terrorists&#8230;.</p>
<p>	Yet, people that are caught by our military are NOT, let&#8217;s say that together kids, N-O-T to be afforded teh protections of our founding documents if they are NOT American citizens&#8230;.and if they are NOT a recognized combatant (GC standards; wears a uniform of an enemy that has lawfully declared war for one), then that &#8220;detainee&#8221; is NOT afforded the protections of the GC&#8230;.</p>
<p>	Why can you people on the left NOT understand this simple premise?</p>
<p>	I swear, you gusy are like a bunch of petulant six year olds&#8230;..you are old enough to know better than to throw a fit when you don&#8217;t agree with the truth, yet you continue to thorw yourselves down in the aisle and beat your little fists against the floor and scream at the top of your lungs, so to speak&#8230;..maybe you all need a good spanking with a nice hickory switch eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Gribbit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gribbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2005 02:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of our commentors could take a page out of Margaret&#039;s book.  I don&#039;t agree with her, but I respect her opinion.  Why?  Because she backs up her words on her own site.  We are able to visit her site, read what she has chosen to say, and understand that she is consistant in her stance.

	We are on total opposite sides of the political fence, but I do respect her opinion because she doesn&#039;t hide.  TAKE NOTICE TROLLS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of our commentors could take a page out of Margaret&#8217;s book.  I don&#8217;t agree with her, but I respect her opinion.  Why?  Because she backs up her words on her own site.  We are able to visit her site, read what she has chosen to say, and understand that she is consistant in her stance.</p>
<p>	We are on total opposite sides of the political fence, but I do respect her opinion because she doesn&#8217;t hide.  TAKE NOTICE TROLLS.</p>
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		<title>By: loboinok</title>
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		<dc:creator>loboinok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2005 23:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mararet Romao Toigo...

	&quot;I can speak up for the human and civil rights of all people (and not just those of my fellow Americans) and make an excellent case without having to resort to the transparent practice of feigned obtuseness and deliberate ignorance of essential details,&quot;

	You do that, while at the same time explaining to these good people why it is that the U.S.(as well as all nations) has national borders and sovereignty.
	Explain why all nations SHOULD observe &#039;human rights&#039; but not all nations enjoy U.S. Constitutional Rights.

	Explain to them why Cubans, Haitians and others that are intercepted before they make it to land are turned back or deported, while those who touch American soil are treated and handled differently.

	As for using Scripture... I&#039;m not as forgiving to those who use it to  support their ideology or political agenda or quote Scripture out of context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mararet Romao Toigo&#8230;</p>
<p>	&#8220;I can speak up for the human and civil rights of all people (and not just those of my fellow Americans) and make an excellent case without having to resort to the transparent practice of feigned obtuseness and deliberate ignorance of essential details,&#8221;</p>
<p>	You do that, while at the same time explaining to these good people why it is that the U.S.(as well as all nations) has national borders and sovereignty.<br />
	Explain why all nations SHOULD observe &#8216;human rights&#8217; but not all nations enjoy U.S. Constitutional Rights.</p>
<p>	Explain to them why Cubans, Haitians and others that are intercepted before they make it to land are turned back or deported, while those who touch American soil are treated and handled differently.</p>
<p>	As for using Scripture&#8230; I&#8217;m not as forgiving to those who use it to  support their ideology or political agenda or quote Scripture out of context.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellie Dee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellie Dee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2005 19:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My idea was one that is far fetched, but still could be a reality. If a terrorist had a nuclear device pointed at LA, and if it could be stopped by torturing the terrorist, then I&#039;d say go for it. My soul be damned, I&#039;d apply the pliers, or whatever, if it meant saving the citizens of LA.

	Also, you don&#039;t believe terrorists should be executed?

	Maybe not all of them, but in the case of somebody like bin laden, who could kill people from beyond prison walls, I can&#039;t imagine not executing them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My idea was one that is far fetched, but still could be a reality. If a terrorist had a nuclear device pointed at LA, and if it could be stopped by torturing the terrorist, then I&#8217;d say go for it. My soul be damned, I&#8217;d apply the pliers, or whatever, if it meant saving the citizens of LA.</p>
<p>	Also, you don&#8217;t believe terrorists should be executed?</p>
<p>	Maybe not all of them, but in the case of somebody like bin laden, who could kill people from beyond prison walls, I can&#8217;t imagine not executing them.</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret Romao Toigo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margaret Romao Toigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don&#039;t have to love your neighbor to respect his rights as a human being -- especially when you don&#039;t really know whether he is a &quot;real threat at the gates&quot; or not.

	Jay prudently caveats his assertions by noting that some of the people being held at Guantanamo Bay might not be guilty, which is indicative of someone whose conscience cannot fully ignore the essential human right to the presumption of innocence -- even if it cannot quite be reconciled with a sense of pragmatism born of a very real and understandable fear.

	Our high-minded American principles with regard to human and civil rights can be very difficult to hold onto when we are afraid -- and with good reason, too --  of the sort of people who would perpetrate  horrible atrocities that might be even worse than 9/11.

	I&#039;m sure that rationalizing the  &quot;bend[ing of] the rules&quot; so that our physical bodies will be safe from terrorists (and maybe other violent criminals, too) gives many people immediate comfort and a sense of security (even if it is ultimately a false one).

	But what of our souls? What good does it do for us to keep our bodies safe if we lose our souls in the process?

	And, make no mistakes, that is exactly what we are sacrificing here, trading our principles in order to save our own hind quarters and therefore becoming what we are fighting against.

	Now, you all can go ahead and accuse me of coddling terrorists (even though I am 100% in favor of duly &lt;i&gt;convicted&lt;/i&gt; terrorists being locked away for life without any chance for parole), if you must do so in order to maintain your illusions of safety and righteous indignation.

	Having felt the very same temptation to sacrifice essential liberty for temporary security (9/11 scared the feces out of me, too), I really do understand how you all feel.

	In the meantime, I will pray for all of us in &quot;the land of the free and the home of the brave&quot; to find and keep the fortitude necessary to hold our eternal souls more valuable than our mortal flesh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t have to love your neighbor to respect his rights as a human being &#8212; especially when you don&#8217;t really know whether he is a &#8220;real threat at the gates&#8221; or not.</p>
<p>	Jay prudently caveats his assertions by noting that some of the people being held at Guantanamo Bay might not be guilty, which is indicative of someone whose conscience cannot fully ignore the essential human right to the presumption of innocence &#8212; even if it cannot quite be reconciled with a sense of pragmatism born of a very real and understandable fear.</p>
<p>	Our high-minded American principles with regard to human and civil rights can be very difficult to hold onto when we are afraid &#8212; and with good reason, too &#8212;  of the sort of people who would perpetrate  horrible atrocities that might be even worse than 9/11.</p>
<p>	I&#8217;m sure that rationalizing the  &#8220;bend[ing of] the rules&#8221; so that our physical bodies will be safe from terrorists (and maybe other violent criminals, too) gives many people immediate comfort and a sense of security (even if it is ultimately a false one).</p>
<p>	But what of our souls? What good does it do for us to keep our bodies safe if we lose our souls in the process?</p>
<p>	And, make no mistakes, that is exactly what we are sacrificing here, trading our principles in order to save our own hind quarters and therefore becoming what we are fighting against.</p>
<p>	Now, you all can go ahead and accuse me of coddling terrorists (even though I am 100% in favor of duly <i>convicted</i> terrorists being locked away for life without any chance for parole), if you must do so in order to maintain your illusions of safety and righteous indignation.</p>
<p>	Having felt the very same temptation to sacrifice essential liberty for temporary security (9/11 scared the feces out of me, too), I really do understand how you all feel.</p>
<p>	In the meantime, I will pray for all of us in &#8220;the land of the free and the home of the brave&#8221; to find and keep the fortitude necessary to hold our eternal souls more valuable than our mortal flesh.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellie Dee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellie Dee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2005 14:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Margaret,

	You gave a Biblical quote, and I was just giving you a few more. Just to say that because Jesus said something does not make it wise governmental policy. And I say that as a Christian.

	Loving your neighbor doesn&#039;t always work, such as when you&#039;re engaged in war, or have a real threat at the gates.

	Sometimes you have to bend the rules to keep the homeland safe. I&#039;d rather break the rules and have a few million Americans alive, than to go 100% by the book to make sure a terrorist got his &quot;due process.&quot;

	And again, civil rights/liberties does not apply to those who are not aligned with any recognized state militaries. And they shouldn&#039;t.

	If there is anything wrong with Gitmo, it&#039;s the prisoners there are being treated too well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Margaret,</p>
<p>	You gave a Biblical quote, and I was just giving you a few more. Just to say that because Jesus said something does not make it wise governmental policy. And I say that as a Christian.</p>
<p>	Loving your neighbor doesn&#8217;t always work, such as when you&#8217;re engaged in war, or have a real threat at the gates.</p>
<p>	Sometimes you have to bend the rules to keep the homeland safe. I&#8217;d rather break the rules and have a few million Americans alive, than to go 100% by the book to make sure a terrorist got his &#8220;due process.&#8221;</p>
<p>	And again, civil rights/liberties does not apply to those who are not aligned with any recognized state militaries. And they shouldn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>	If there is anything wrong with Gitmo, it&#8217;s the prisoners there are being treated too well.</p>
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