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		<title>By: Conservative Thinking</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conservative Thinking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 04:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;ACLU Roots&lt;/strong&gt;
	Crossposted from Stop The ACLU Hat tip: Ban The ACLU This was found on youtube and it&#039;s pretty short at 3 minutes. I wish I could find more footage somewhere. It is an accurate account of the ACLU&#039;s founding. Does...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>ACLU Roots</strong><br />
	Crossposted from Stop The ACLU Hat tip: Ban The ACLU This was found on youtube and it&#8217;s pretty short at 3 minutes. I wish I could find more footage somewhere. It is an accurate account of the ACLU&#8217;s founding. Does&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: nice</title>
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		<dc:creator>nice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 03:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice blog.</description>
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		<title>By: loboinok</title>
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		<dc:creator>loboinok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2005 23:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was pretty damn GOOD Cao!!!

	Want to bet that only one in ten will get it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was pretty damn GOOD Cao!!!</p>
<p>	Want to bet that only one in ten will get it?</p>
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		<title>By: Cao</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2005 19:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to let loose on the &quot;communism is the goal&quot; and the historical evidence because I am also somewhat irritated by trolls in my comments section and I totally can relate to Gribbit right now.  As far as someone hiding and trolling and saying stuff on every post--it&#039;s really not necessary.  It&#039;s negative attention seeking.  Ok enough of the troll talk.

	When ACLU&#039;s founder Baldwin died at the age of 97 in 1981, he was deified in the obits by the NYT, Wapo and AP.

	The establishment media&#039;s coverup artists forgot some stuff in writing his obits, for one thing, when he wrote in 1935, &quot;Communism is the goal.&quot;

	That was part of the message in his college reunion yearbook that year.  Here&#039;s the rest:  &quot;I have continued directing the unpopular fight for the rights of agitation, as director of the ACLU.  I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class and sole control of those who produce wealth.  Communism is the goal.&quot;

	When one can locate the long buried archives of original ACLu founding docs, it becomes evident the organization and its founder weren&#039;t shy about revealing their true agenda.

	&quot;Those of us who champion civil liberties in the US and who at the same time support the proletarian dictatorship of the Soviet Union are charges with inconsistency and insincerity,&quot; said Baldwin in an article written for Soviet Russia Today in September 1934.  &quot;If I aid the reactionaries to get free speech now and then, if I go outside the class strugle...it&#039;s only because those liberties help create a more hospitable atmosphere for the working-class liberties.  The class struggle is the central conflict of the world...When that power of the working class is once achieved, it has been only in the Soviet Union.  I am for mantaining it by any means whatever...We want to loo like patriots in everything we do.  We want to get a good lot of flags, to talk a great deal about the Constitution.&quot;

	Far from being even-handed in applying the protections of the law universally, Baldwin did not even believe there was any need for a civil rights advocate in the Soviet Union.  There, he explained, the workers are already in charge.  Moscow had reached the goal.  That&#039;s where Bladwin and the ACLU set out to take America.

	During WWII, the illustrious columnist Walter Lippman wrote that &quot;the directors of the [ACLU] have missed one opportunity after another to show that they really stand for what they profess, that they care for civil libery as such [and] not merely because it is a convenience for communists.&quot;

	When union leaders of Trotskyite persuasion were convicted under the Smith Act, the ACLU cheered.  But when the Communist Party leaders were convicted under the same act, the ACLU vehemently protested.

	How did the AP miss this historical benchmark?  Baldwin&#039;s ACLU did not protest when the government sought to regulate the AP as a &quot;common carrier&quot; lacking the protection of the First Amendment.

	Baldwin officially left the commie party in the 1940&#039;s, but many historians realize it was more a strategic move than an ideological split.

	Baldwin explained it this way:  &quot;We liberals thought we were using the communists for our ends, and the [Hitler-Stalin] pact showed us they were using us for Russia&#039;s.

	He never backed away from his socialist beliefs.  And the ACLU never abandoned its founder&#039;s radical socialism.

	Dr. Harry Ward, first chairman of the ACLU, had a record of over 200 communist front-affiliations and citations listed by the House Committee of Un-American Activities.  Ward was the author of &quot;Soviet Democracy&quot; and &quot;Soviet Spirit&quot;, two pro-communist books that reveal his admiration for the Soviet system.

	Dozens of others involved in the leadership roles in the ACLu have been card carrying members of the Communist Party or active in various front groups.

	Some believe the main activity of the group in its early years was defending the party, as illustrated earlier.

	The California Senate Fact Finding Committe on Un American Activities in 1948 found that &quot;The aclue may be definitely defined as a communist front or transmission belt organization.  At least 90 percent of its efforts are on behalf of communists who come in conflict with the law.&quot;

	The House Committee to Investigate Communist Activities in the US made similar findings:  &quot;It is quite apparent that the main function of the ACLu is to protect communists in their advocacy of force and violence to overthrow the US government.&quot;

	Today, the ACLU is vigilant at championing the special rights of AIDS victims, taxpayer-supported artists, death-row inmates, minor children, homosexuals, illegal aliens, terrorists, and abortionists.

	We know the ACLU best through its annual tradition of striking into the hearts of anyone, anywhere, who dares commemorate Christmas in a public place.  That&#039;s because the ACLu is not so much a champion of civil rights as its officials and members like to say.  It is more an organization at war with God.

	In fact, its this ongoing war with God--any mention of God, any recognition of God, any expression of faith in God-that most accurately characterizes the organization&#039;s soul.

	But doesn&#039;t that fit right in with the idea that communism needs to eliminate the God and make Government the replacement for God?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to let loose on the &#8220;communism is the goal&#8221; and the historical evidence because I am also somewhat irritated by trolls in my comments section and I totally can relate to Gribbit right now.  As far as someone hiding and trolling and saying stuff on every post&#8211;it&#8217;s really not necessary.  It&#8217;s negative attention seeking.  Ok enough of the troll talk.</p>
<p>	When ACLU&#8217;s founder Baldwin died at the age of 97 in 1981, he was deified in the obits by the NYT, Wapo and AP.</p>
<p>	The establishment media&#8217;s coverup artists forgot some stuff in writing his obits, for one thing, when he wrote in 1935, &#8220;Communism is the goal.&#8221;</p>
<p>	That was part of the message in his college reunion yearbook that year.  Here&#8217;s the rest:  &#8220;I have continued directing the unpopular fight for the rights of agitation, as director of the ACLU.  I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class and sole control of those who produce wealth.  Communism is the goal.&#8221;</p>
<p>	When one can locate the long buried archives of original ACLu founding docs, it becomes evident the organization and its founder weren&#8217;t shy about revealing their true agenda.</p>
<p>	&#8220;Those of us who champion civil liberties in the US and who at the same time support the proletarian dictatorship of the Soviet Union are charges with inconsistency and insincerity,&#8221; said Baldwin in an article written for Soviet Russia Today in September 1934.  &#8220;If I aid the reactionaries to get free speech now and then, if I go outside the class strugle&#8230;it&#8217;s only because those liberties help create a more hospitable atmosphere for the working-class liberties.  The class struggle is the central conflict of the world&#8230;When that power of the working class is once achieved, it has been only in the Soviet Union.  I am for mantaining it by any means whatever&#8230;We want to loo like patriots in everything we do.  We want to get a good lot of flags, to talk a great deal about the Constitution.&#8221;</p>
<p>	Far from being even-handed in applying the protections of the law universally, Baldwin did not even believe there was any need for a civil rights advocate in the Soviet Union.  There, he explained, the workers are already in charge.  Moscow had reached the goal.  That&#8217;s where Bladwin and the ACLU set out to take America.</p>
<p>	During WWII, the illustrious columnist Walter Lippman wrote that &#8220;the directors of the [ACLU] have missed one opportunity after another to show that they really stand for what they profess, that they care for civil libery as such [and] not merely because it is a convenience for communists.&#8221;</p>
<p>	When union leaders of Trotskyite persuasion were convicted under the Smith Act, the ACLU cheered.  But when the Communist Party leaders were convicted under the same act, the ACLU vehemently protested.</p>
<p>	How did the AP miss this historical benchmark?  Baldwin&#8217;s ACLU did not protest when the government sought to regulate the AP as a &#8220;common carrier&#8221; lacking the protection of the First Amendment.</p>
<p>	Baldwin officially left the commie party in the 1940&#8217;s, but many historians realize it was more a strategic move than an ideological split.</p>
<p>	Baldwin explained it this way:  &#8220;We liberals thought we were using the communists for our ends, and the [Hitler-Stalin] pact showed us they were using us for Russia&#8217;s.</p>
<p>	He never backed away from his socialist beliefs.  And the ACLU never abandoned its founder&#8217;s radical socialism.</p>
<p>	Dr. Harry Ward, first chairman of the ACLU, had a record of over 200 communist front-affiliations and citations listed by the House Committee of Un-American Activities.  Ward was the author of &#8220;Soviet Democracy&#8221; and &#8220;Soviet Spirit&#8221;, two pro-communist books that reveal his admiration for the Soviet system.</p>
<p>	Dozens of others involved in the leadership roles in the ACLu have been card carrying members of the Communist Party or active in various front groups.</p>
<p>	Some believe the main activity of the group in its early years was defending the party, as illustrated earlier.</p>
<p>	The California Senate Fact Finding Committe on Un American Activities in 1948 found that &#8220;The aclue may be definitely defined as a communist front or transmission belt organization.  At least 90 percent of its efforts are on behalf of communists who come in conflict with the law.&#8221;</p>
<p>	The House Committee to Investigate Communist Activities in the US made similar findings:  &#8220;It is quite apparent that the main function of the ACLu is to protect communists in their advocacy of force and violence to overthrow the US government.&#8221;</p>
<p>	Today, the ACLU is vigilant at championing the special rights of AIDS victims, taxpayer-supported artists, death-row inmates, minor children, homosexuals, illegal aliens, terrorists, and abortionists.</p>
<p>	We know the ACLU best through its annual tradition of striking into the hearts of anyone, anywhere, who dares commemorate Christmas in a public place.  That&#8217;s because the ACLu is not so much a champion of civil rights as its officials and members like to say.  It is more an organization at war with God.</p>
<p>	In fact, its this ongoing war with God&#8211;any mention of God, any recognition of God, any expression of faith in God-that most accurately characterizes the organization&#8217;s soul.</p>
<p>	But doesn&#8217;t that fit right in with the idea that communism needs to eliminate the God and make Government the replacement for God?</p>
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		<title>By: Always On Watch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Always On Watch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article takes me back some years.  When I was in high school (not a public one), we studied this same material about the ACLU.  The origins of the ACLU have Communist ties.  Seems clear to me, anyway.

	And, as far as I&#039;m concerned, almost all of the doings of the ACLU today undermine American principles.  My reaction when I hear that the ACLU has rushed in: I&#039;m on the opposite side.  That is the ACLU&#039;s reputation now, and it&#039;s not just political conservatives who feel that way, either.

	Gribbit,
	I know what you mean by wanting the URL&#039;s and emails of commenters.  But one of the best tips I ever got was an &quot;anonymous&quot; one.  Not from a lefty, I admit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article takes me back some years.  When I was in high school (not a public one), we studied this same material about the ACLU.  The origins of the ACLU have Communist ties.  Seems clear to me, anyway.</p>
<p>	And, as far as I&#8217;m concerned, almost all of the doings of the ACLU today undermine American principles.  My reaction when I hear that the ACLU has rushed in: I&#8217;m on the opposite side.  That is the ACLU&#8217;s reputation now, and it&#8217;s not just political conservatives who feel that way, either.</p>
<p>	Gribbit,<br />
	I know what you mean by wanting the URL&#8217;s and emails of commenters.  But one of the best tips I ever got was an &#8220;anonymous&#8221; one.  Not from a lefty, I admit.</p>
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		<title>By: Gribbit</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/08/17/communist-history-of-the-most-dangerous-organization-in-america/comment-page-1/#comment-34877</link>
		<dc:creator>Gribbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2005 10:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fire me.  But I&#039;m going head to head with this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fire me.  But I&#8217;m going head to head with this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/08/17/communist-history-of-the-most-dangerous-organization-in-america/comment-page-1/#comment-34876</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2005 06:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Settle down kids. First of all, Laurence comparing Lobo&#039;s comments to that of Stalin is crazy.

	Second.  As long as Mark debates in a civilized fashion, I don&#039;t mind entertaining him.  If you don&#039;t want to Gribbit, just ignore him.  Same goes for you Mark, if the dialouge gets to the point that you hijack the subject, which I believe was supposed to be the communist founding of the ACLU, but somehow got changed to Gitmo detainees...just stop.

	There is a post where that debate is much more appropriate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Settle down kids. First of all, Laurence comparing Lobo&#8217;s comments to that of Stalin is crazy.</p>
<p>	Second.  As long as Mark debates in a civilized fashion, I don&#8217;t mind entertaining him.  If you don&#8217;t want to Gribbit, just ignore him.  Same goes for you Mark, if the dialouge gets to the point that you hijack the subject, which I believe was supposed to be the communist founding of the ACLU, but somehow got changed to Gitmo detainees&#8230;just stop.</p>
<p>	There is a post where that debate is much more appropriate.</p>
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		<title>By: Gribbit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gribbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2005 22:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice, telling half truths, why should I expect anything less from a liberal troll.

	I don&#039;t have a problem with people who hold different ideas, I have a problem with people who crap all over other people&#039;s thoughts without having the stones of their own to put their thoughts out there to be crapped on.

	Marc you are my example troll.  I&#039;m in a crappy mood and you are the target of the week.  I am going to run you out.  I&#039;ve done it before, I&#039;ll do it again.

	Now, straighten up, fly right, and tell the truth, Or you&#039;re gone.

	And anyone else who wants to play these anonymous games, I&#039;ll do it to you too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice, telling half truths, why should I expect anything less from a liberal troll.</p>
<p>	I don&#8217;t have a problem with people who hold different ideas, I have a problem with people who crap all over other people&#8217;s thoughts without having the stones of their own to put their thoughts out there to be crapped on.</p>
<p>	Marc you are my example troll.  I&#8217;m in a crappy mood and you are the target of the week.  I am going to run you out.  I&#8217;ve done it before, I&#8217;ll do it again.</p>
<p>	Now, straighten up, fly right, and tell the truth, Or you&#8217;re gone.</p>
<p>	And anyone else who wants to play these anonymous games, I&#8217;ll do it to you too.</p>
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		<title>By: Gribbit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gribbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a step, now how about dropping that mailguard.

	I&#039;m not in a good mood troll, the IP ban is next.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a step, now how about dropping that mailguard.</p>
<p>	I&#8217;m not in a good mood troll, the IP ban is next.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2005 17:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have relented to your demands.

	I hope we can now have the type of level-headed discussion I was hoping for in the first place.  Would you please respond to my initial comment regarding the post entitled, &quot;Communist History of the Most Dangerous Organization In America&quot;?

	Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have relented to your demands.</p>
<p>	I hope we can now have the type of level-headed discussion I was hoping for in the first place.  Would you please respond to my initial comment regarding the post entitled, &#8220;Communist History of the Most Dangerous Organization In America&#8221;?</p>
<p>	Thank you.</p>
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