I’ve got kids older than her AND younger, so I can call her a kid if I want to.
OK, let’s go back to something you wrote in your original post, about Ms. Platt’s, and your children’s, generation:

…typical self-centered young girl of the “give me”, “give me” generation. When you don’t get your way, you pout, throw a temper tantrum…
I feel sorry for your children, that their mother holds them in such low regard.

…any kid that wasn’t spoiled rotten would accept that under the circumstances it would probably not be best to argue with the law (kids+party+cops) and to just go with the flow and crack it up to a learning experience.
Ms. Platte did comply with the officers’ orders. She is suing to make sure that such injustice does not befall other young Michiganders.

Fourth – yeah real smart, let’s party a few hours away and then drive home. Like I said mind boggling.
When I was in college, my friends went to Windsor all the time. We always designated a driver. It was a lot safer than risking an M1 conviction back in Ohio, though we did that on occasion too.

While you are holding out for the “robber barons to sleep” I bet your little liberal heart would just fall out your chest and demand justification from the system (which you obviously don’t care much about), if you were the one unfortunate to be caught and victimized in the baron’s active period. AND you would probably scream to anybody that would listen that the system let you down, didn’t protect your rights, and should reimburse you for the transgression on top of it. Give me a break…
I don’t think you got Mr. Lewis’ point. He wasn’t arguing that robber barons are good. His point was that, as bad as robber barons are, the nanny statists we have now might be worse. I tend to agree with him.

I love how you continue to attack me personally, and not what I write.
What is the method behind your madness? Are you conceding to my
opinions or merely trying to discredit me through personal attacks?
Talk about political, when you can’t beat your enemy them attack them
personally. As an adult, you would think that you would know better.
This is exactly what is wrong with the country, not to mention that
this is the way politicians behave when elections roll around. Look
at the message you are sending to the younger generations, thanks
again for your candor. LOL. Check the IP, now I’m in Brazil, quick trip on my time. I wonder where I will be tomorrow? Point, make this an issue about the issue and not me.

Your early statement -
“First of all, there is no policy keeping us off the net. 2nd, I do my job above and beyond what is expected, not to mention that I also share in the work of others. So if I have time to fight for a good cause, then sobeit.” and “cl from work, but I am entitled to two 15 minute breaks and an hour lunch, I guess this 5 minutes will come from one of those.”

Policies of the agency you are commenting from for computer use:

III. Provisions Governing Internet and E-mail Usage

A. Appropriate Use of the Internet and E-mail

While on the job or while using a state-owned or state provided computing systems, all users are expected to use the Internet and E-mail responsibly and professionally. The unit head (i.e., Division Engineer, Resident Engineer, Unit Manager, etc.) will ensure that all users are informed of the administrative procedure for the use of the E-mail, Internet and other communication tools. Any user identified as a security risk will be denied access to the Internet and E-mail.

Acceptable usage of computing systems is defined by the following rules:

1. The use of all telecommunication and computer systems and resources must be in support of NCDOT activity and consistent with NCDOT objectives. Accessing other state agencies’ web pages (i.e., OSP, Retirement, etc.) is allowable.

2. All computing systems and resources (including, but not limited to the Internet, E-mail, etc.) and all communication and information transmitted by, received from, or stored in NCDOT computer systems are property of NCDOT. These communications are to be used for job-related purposes.
3. Transmission of any material in violation of any state or federal law is prohibited. This includes, but is not limited to, threatening or obscene material.

4. Usage of any computing system or resource for commercial activities, private business, or for product advertisement is prohibited.

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At the bottom the policy form says right before you sign the dotted line “All permanent and temporary employees, including contractors, who use the NCDOT’s Internet access and E-mail systems must read and sign this document.”
Gee, I guess a superior being may not be superior to the rules he is employed by…I bet your employers would agree.

The technical term for “an event started” or “an item presented” is positive, since it’s something that’s added to the environment.

The technical term for “an event ended” or “an item taken away” is negative, since it’s something that’s subtracted from the environment.

Anything that increases a behavior – makes it occur more frequently, makes it stronger, or makes it more likely to occur – is termed a reinforcer. Often, a person will perceive “starting Something Good” or “ending Something Bad” as something worth pursuing, and they will repeat the behaviors that seem to cause these consequences. These consequences will increase the behaviors that lead to them they are reinforcers. These are consequences the person will work to attain, so they strengthen the behavior.

Anything that decreases a behavior – makes it occur less frequently, makes it weaker, or makes it less likely to occur – is termed a punisher. Often, a person will perceive “ending Something Good” or “starting Something Bad” as something worth avoiding, and they will not repeat the behaviors that seem to cause these consequences. These consequences will decrease the behaviors that lead to them they are punishers.

Applying these terms to the Four Possible Consequences, you get:

Something Good can start or be presented, so behavior increases = Positive Reinforcement (R+)

Something Good can end or be taken away, so behavior decreases = Negative Punishment (P-)

Something Bad can start or be presented, so behavior decreases = Positive Punishment (P+)

Something Bad can end or be taken away, so behavior increases = Negative Reinforcement (R-)

My last question made perfect sense and you answered it, “because kids with no sense of self control (which is a learned behavior from example and positive/negative reinforcement) are usually the ones not prone to being educated or rewarded by society.” These kids are out of control because they lack education. Thanks again Kathy. cl from work, but I am entitled to two 15 minute breaks and an hour lunch, I guess this 5 minutes will come from one of those.

Funny I have never heard of positive punishment. Isn’t punishment always negative? At least it was when I was a psych major.

Possibly you don’t have a clear understanding of operant conditioning or “A process of behavior modification in which the likelihood of a specific behavior is increased or decreased through positive or negative reinforcement each time the behavior is exhibited, so that the subject comes to associate the pleasure or displeasure of the reinforcement with the behavior.” REINFORCEMENT is not punishment. Examples of reinforcement would be (positive) praise for a behavior or (negative) ignoring the behavior.

As far as your last question goes it didn’t make any sense at all because kids with no sense of self control (which is a learned behavior from example and positive/negative reinforcement) are usually the ones not prone to being educated or rewarded by society, so here is my answer

(end of negative reinforcement).

Jason – I just do a you (from your post on my site) and repeat myself…

How you came up with your version of the story Jason is mind boggling. First she took the breathalyzer test – that’s why she is suing – remember the part about presumed guilt? Second, due to my age she is a kid. I’ve got kids older than her AND younger, so I can call her a kid if I want to. Third, any kid that wasn’t spoiled rotten would accept that under the circumstances it would probably not be best to argue with the law (kids+party+cops) and to just go with the flow and crack it up to a learning experience. Fourth – yeah real smart, let’s party a few hours away and then drive home. Like I said mind boggling.

While you are holding out for the “robber barons to sleep” I bet your little liberal heart would just fall out your chest and demand justification from the system (which you obviously don’t care much about), if you were the one unfortunate to be caught and victimized in the baron’s active period. AND you would probably scream to anybody that would listen that the system let you down, didn’t protect your rights, and should reimburse you for the transgression on top of it. Give me a break…

Katie isn’t aware that the old fogies making the laws have her best interests at heart
This reminds me of the following quote from C.S. Lewis:

Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
Katie is a typical self-centered young girl of the “give me”, “give me” generation.
If Ms. Platte wasn’t drinking, she could have taken the test with no consequence. Instead, she chose to risk a $100 fine in order to fight an unjust law. If Ms. Platte was drinking, she could have gone to Ontario to drink. (No part of Michigan is more than a few hours drive from Ontario.) Instead, she chose to stay and fight injustice, and risk prosecution, here at home rather than running away to Canada. Either way, Ms. Platte is an admirable young woman.