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		<title>By: Paid Surveys</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/07/31/aclu-and-international-law/comment-page-1/#comment-34050</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2005 00:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Wheels Tyres</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/07/31/aclu-and-international-law/comment-page-1/#comment-34049</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 13:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Healthy Coffee</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/07/31/aclu-and-international-law/comment-page-1/#comment-34048</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: exciting</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/07/31/aclu-and-international-law/comment-page-1/#comment-34047</link>
		<dc:creator>exciting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2005 06:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Christopher K. Leavitt</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/07/31/aclu-and-international-law/comment-page-1/#comment-34046</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher K. Leavitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 16:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On your last point: Israelte law and the Ten Commandments do form the foundation of many of our laws, but they are far too distant to be cited in any current ruling. It would be nice if they were cited about such things as abortion, where their laws had progressively worse penalties for killing an unborn child, depending on how many months into the pregnancy it was when killed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On your last point: Israelte law and the Ten Commandments do form the foundation of many of our laws, but they are far too distant to be cited in any current ruling. It would be nice if they were cited about such things as abortion, where their laws had progressively worse penalties for killing an unborn child, depending on how many months into the pregnancy it was when killed.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher K. Leavitt</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/07/31/aclu-and-international-law/comment-page-1/#comment-34045</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher K. Leavitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DUH: There is no US law that allows cutting off of hands as punishment. Hypothetically, I&#039;d side with Judge C, who did it without rationale, probably out of exasperation with a serial thief who truly destroyed other people&#039;s lives repeatedly. The rest of your comments are totally off-point.

	They don&#039;t get to cite any old thing that happens to represent a fact. They can cite facts, but only as related to the case at hand. This is exactly my point. Judges should not traffic in ideas, when they don&#039;t know what ideas were in the heads of the people involved in the case.

	I could pick three or four different reasonings why a person might or might not be justified in any given action that ends up in a courtroom. The idea of law is to compare them all against what is provided for under the U.S. Constitution, and the applicable U.S. laws, not foreign rulings.

	Further, the same goes for &quot;living Constitution&quot; believers. Justice O&#039;Connor should have been at least censured for writing that her own ruling ought to be overturned (or made moot) in 25 years. What is she, the Oracle of Delphi? People like her have all the answers, but unfortunately, they&#039;re all wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DUH: There is no US law that allows cutting off of hands as punishment. Hypothetically, I&#8217;d side with Judge C, who did it without rationale, probably out of exasperation with a serial thief who truly destroyed other people&#8217;s lives repeatedly. The rest of your comments are totally off-point.</p>
<p>	They don&#8217;t get to cite any old thing that happens to represent a fact. They can cite facts, but only as related to the case at hand. This is exactly my point. Judges should not traffic in ideas, when they don&#8217;t know what ideas were in the heads of the people involved in the case.</p>
<p>	I could pick three or four different reasonings why a person might or might not be justified in any given action that ends up in a courtroom. The idea of law is to compare them all against what is provided for under the U.S. Constitution, and the applicable U.S. laws, not foreign rulings.</p>
<p>	Further, the same goes for &#8220;living Constitution&#8221; believers. Justice O&#8217;Connor should have been at least censured for writing that her own ruling ought to be overturned (or made moot) in 25 years. What is she, the Oracle of Delphi? People like her have all the answers, but unfortunately, they&#8217;re all wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: nobody.really</title>
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		<dc:creator>nobody.really</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 14:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“[Courts may cite foreign sources] when dealing with treaty disputes, or citing British common law when seeking the original intent of the U.S. Constitution....”

	Agreed.

	“[A]ny judge that cites a foreign law or legal ruling in a purely domestic case should be impeached for violating their oath of office.  Let’s see this from an extreme perspective: what if the court justified cutting off the hands of prisoners at GITMO, citing laws in many Islamic nations?”

	Good illustration.  Let&#039;s compare three judges: Judge A justifies cutting off prisoner hands citing the law of Islamic nations.  Judge B justifies cutting off hands by mis-applying US law.  Judge C justifies cutting off hands without any rationale whatsoever.  Why does Judge A provoke you, but not Judge B or C?

	The problem with cutting off hands is, presumably, it violates our Constitution’s prohibition on cruel and unusual punishment.  Period.  So Judge A, B and C are equally wrong.  The fact that one got it wrong while quoting foreign sources and the others got it wrong without quoting foreign sources is irrelevant.  Honestly, guys, if the SCOTUS had rendered the same decision in Lawrence v. Texas while omitting the foreign citations, would we suddenly think is was a brilliant decision?

	Let’s get back to the prisoner.  He appeals.  Appellate Judge X overrules the lower court, citing the US Constitution, the laws of other nations, the Oxford English Dictionary (OED) and Shakespeare.  Appellate Judge Y concurs, citing the Constitution.  Is Judge X’s decision automatically wrong because he quoted foreign sources?  And if it is automatically wrong, what does that say about Judge Y’s decision agreeing with X?

	Judges speak about ideas, and if a judge thinks that someone expressed an idea well in the past, the judge may be inclined to cite it.  They may cite the OED.  They may cite Shakespeare.  And, yes, they may cite foreign laws and decisions.  That doesn’t mean that the judges are CONTROLLED by the OED, or by Shakespeare, or by foreign law.  The fact that all these sources may have been written on foreign soil should not prohibit a judge from quoting them.

	After all, most of us (with the exception of the Mormons?) acknowledge that the Bible is not an American book, and that the Laws of the Israelites have not been adopted into the US Code.  Are you proposing that we impeach any judge who quotes the 10 Commandments?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“[Courts may cite foreign sources] when dealing with treaty disputes, or citing British common law when seeking the original intent of the U.S. Constitution&#8230;.”</p>
<p>	Agreed.</p>
<p>	“[A]ny judge that cites a foreign law or legal ruling in a purely domestic case should be impeached for violating their oath of office.  Let’s see this from an extreme perspective: what if the court justified cutting off the hands of prisoners at GITMO, citing laws in many Islamic nations?”</p>
<p>	Good illustration.  Let&#8217;s compare three judges: Judge A justifies cutting off prisoner hands citing the law of Islamic nations.  Judge B justifies cutting off hands by mis-applying US law.  Judge C justifies cutting off hands without any rationale whatsoever.  Why does Judge A provoke you, but not Judge B or C?</p>
<p>	The problem with cutting off hands is, presumably, it violates our Constitution’s prohibition on cruel and unusual punishment.  Period.  So Judge A, B and C are equally wrong.  The fact that one got it wrong while quoting foreign sources and the others got it wrong without quoting foreign sources is irrelevant.  Honestly, guys, if the SCOTUS had rendered the same decision in Lawrence v. Texas while omitting the foreign citations, would we suddenly think is was a brilliant decision?</p>
<p>	Let’s get back to the prisoner.  He appeals.  Appellate Judge X overrules the lower court, citing the US Constitution, the laws of other nations, the Oxford English Dictionary (OED) and Shakespeare.  Appellate Judge Y concurs, citing the Constitution.  Is Judge X’s decision automatically wrong because he quoted foreign sources?  And if it is automatically wrong, what does that say about Judge Y’s decision agreeing with X?</p>
<p>	Judges speak about ideas, and if a judge thinks that someone expressed an idea well in the past, the judge may be inclined to cite it.  They may cite the OED.  They may cite Shakespeare.  And, yes, they may cite foreign laws and decisions.  That doesn’t mean that the judges are CONTROLLED by the OED, or by Shakespeare, or by foreign law.  The fact that all these sources may have been written on foreign soil should not prohibit a judge from quoting them.</p>
<p>	After all, most of us (with the exception of the Mormons?) acknowledge that the Bible is not an American book, and that the Laws of the Israelites have not been adopted into the US Code.  Are you proposing that we impeach any judge who quotes the 10 Commandments?</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher K. Leavitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher K. Leavitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 08:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS to Jay: I think that debate was between Scalia and Breyer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS to Jay: I think that debate was between Scalia and Breyer.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher K. Leavitt</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/07/31/aclu-and-international-law/comment-page-1/#comment-34042</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher K. Leavitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 08:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Citing laws from outside the U.S. is dangerous. Exceptions are when dealing with treaty disputes, or citing British common law, when seeking the original intent of the U.S. Constitution (This would be helpful regarding the establishment clause). As I&#039;ve said elsewhere, any judge that cites a foreign law or legal ruling in a purely domestic case should be impeached for violating their oath of office. Let&#039;s see this from an extreme perspective: what if the court justified cutting off the hands of prisoners at GITMO, citing laws in many Islamic nations? Far-fetched, for sure, but no more legal than what is already being done by justices in the SCOTUS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Citing laws from outside the U.S. is dangerous. Exceptions are when dealing with treaty disputes, or citing British common law, when seeking the original intent of the U.S. Constitution (This would be helpful regarding the establishment clause). As I&#8217;ve said elsewhere, any judge that cites a foreign law or legal ruling in a purely domestic case should be impeached for violating their oath of office. Let&#8217;s see this from an extreme perspective: what if the court justified cutting off the hands of prisoners at GITMO, citing laws in many Islamic nations? Far-fetched, for sure, but no more legal than what is already being done by justices in the SCOTUS.</p>
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		<title>By: loboinok</title>
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		<dc:creator>loboinok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 04:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Great; please elaborate. How can a US court acknowledge a foreign decision without adopting it?&quot;

	The same way the Liberal ya-hoos in SCOTUS should have ruled in Lawrence Vs. Texas.
	They couldn&#039;t find anything in the Constitution, nor even one precedent, that would support their opinion, so they went outside the Constitution and used foreign law.

	Not only did they acknowledge the foreign Courts, they unconstitutionally adopted it.

	&quot; Why are international citations such a big deal but not interstate citations?&quot;

	Because we live in a Republic under a Federal Constituion. They don&#039;t operate under a Republican form of Government and we don&#039;t operate under a Socialist or Communist form of Government (not yet anyway).

	Why can&#039;t you put Volkswagon wheels on a Chevy pickup?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Great; please elaborate. How can a US court acknowledge a foreign decision without adopting it?&#8221;</p>
<p>	The same way the Liberal ya-hoos in SCOTUS should have ruled in Lawrence Vs. Texas.<br />
	They couldn&#8217;t find anything in the Constitution, nor even one precedent, that would support their opinion, so they went outside the Constitution and used foreign law.</p>
<p>	Not only did they acknowledge the foreign Courts, they unconstitutionally adopted it.</p>
<p>	&#8221; Why are international citations such a big deal but not interstate citations?&#8221;</p>
<p>	Because we live in a Republic under a Federal Constituion. They don&#8217;t operate under a Republican form of Government and we don&#8217;t operate under a Socialist or Communist form of Government (not yet anyway).</p>
<p>	Why can&#8217;t you put Volkswagon wheels on a Chevy pickup?</p>
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