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	<title>Comments on: Support For Scouts &#8211; It&#8217;s About Time</title>
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		<title>By: great</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/07/23/support-for-scouts-its-about-time/comment-page-1/#comment-33770</link>
		<dc:creator>great</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2005 02:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice blog. It is very helpful. http://www.bignews.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice blog. It is very helpful. <a href="http://www.bignews.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.bignews.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: nobody.really</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/07/23/support-for-scouts-its-about-time/comment-page-1/#comment-33769</link>
		<dc:creator>nobody.really</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yikes!

	I certainly apologize if I have offended you; no offense was intended.  Admittedly I’m a newbie here, and I have been posting a lot.  (Surprise, surprise, I’m procrastinating at work.)  Please do NOT post old comments from me in your que.  Again, being a newbie, I had tried to post comments with hyperlinks and when they didn’t appear I would just modify them and send them again.  Eventually, I just stripped out the hyperlinks, and the messages posted.  I didn’t realize that you quarantined messages with hypelinks.  Live and learn.

	As you may surmise, I’m not a web master myself, and have not had to learn about these administrative details.  Also, I have no web site to refer you to; sorry!

	You are again correct that I know nothing about the ACLU’s terrorist activities.  Certainly this is news to me.  How do I get to your archives?  (Feel free to contact me offline, if that would be more appropriate.)

	Civil liberties have always been an interest of mine, so I find your site very engaging.  I haven’t agreed with all of it - but that’s what makes it interesting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yikes!</p>
<p>	I certainly apologize if I have offended you; no offense was intended.  Admittedly I’m a newbie here, and I have been posting a lot.  (Surprise, surprise, I’m procrastinating at work.)  Please do NOT post old comments from me in your que.  Again, being a newbie, I had tried to post comments with hyperlinks and when they didn’t appear I would just modify them and send them again.  Eventually, I just stripped out the hyperlinks, and the messages posted.  I didn’t realize that you quarantined messages with hypelinks.  Live and learn.</p>
<p>	As you may surmise, I’m not a web master myself, and have not had to learn about these administrative details.  Also, I have no web site to refer you to; sorry!</p>
<p>	You are again correct that I know nothing about the ACLU’s terrorist activities.  Certainly this is news to me.  How do I get to your archives?  (Feel free to contact me offline, if that would be more appropriate.)</p>
<p>	Civil liberties have always been an interest of mine, so I find your site very engaging.  I haven’t agreed with all of it &#8211; but that’s what makes it interesting!</p>
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		<title>By: Gribbit</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/07/23/support-for-scouts-its-about-time/comment-page-1/#comment-33768</link>
		<dc:creator>Gribbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody really...hmmm another nameless troll huh.  I would address the content of your comment &lt;b&gt;IF&lt;/b&gt; you had the eggs to put out your opinions for others to inspect.  But as my normal policy is to not address individuals who shield their identity or keep from the public eye anything that they may have authored, your opinion does not matter here.

	It is obvious that you do no read here often.  It is obvious that you haven&#039;t a clue as to what kind of organization the ACLU actually is.  You have no idea about the terrorist tacticts of this Anti-American organization.  And you clearly haven&#039;t a clue as to the history of this Terrorist Organization.

	Thing is... We do.  And WE have printed the answers to the very questions that you have raised in the past.  So... before you receive a debatable response, I suggest you go through the archives.  Educate yourself on the actual issues.  And stop hiding under a generic name.  Post a link to your website.

	Don&#039;t troll... it&#039;s rude.

	There are 6 additional comments from you in the que.  And as far as I am concerned, they will not be approved. But I will print this:
	Name: nobody.really &#124; Email: naruccc@yahoo.com &#124; URI: &#124; IP: 156.99.95.1  I can get more info on you Mr. nobody.  Should I?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody really&#8230;hmmm another nameless troll huh.  I would address the content of your comment <b>IF</b> you had the eggs to put out your opinions for others to inspect.  But as my normal policy is to not address individuals who shield their identity or keep from the public eye anything that they may have authored, your opinion does not matter here.</p>
<p>	It is obvious that you do no read here often.  It is obvious that you haven&#8217;t a clue as to what kind of organization the ACLU actually is.  You have no idea about the terrorist tacticts of this Anti-American organization.  And you clearly haven&#8217;t a clue as to the history of this Terrorist Organization.</p>
<p>	Thing is&#8230; We do.  And WE have printed the answers to the very questions that you have raised in the past.  So&#8230; before you receive a debatable response, I suggest you go through the archives.  Educate yourself on the actual issues.  And stop hiding under a generic name.  Post a link to your website.</p>
<p>	Don&#8217;t troll&#8230; it&#8217;s rude.</p>
<p>	There are 6 additional comments from you in the que.  And as far as I am concerned, they will not be approved. But I will print this:<br />
	Name: nobody.really | Email: <a href="mailto:naruccc@yahoo.com">naruccc@yahoo.com</a> | URI: | IP: 156.99.95.1  I can get more info on you Mr. nobody.  Should I?</p>
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		<title>By: nobody.really</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/07/23/support-for-scouts-its-about-time/comment-page-1/#comment-33767</link>
		<dc:creator>nobody.really</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But this goes to the heart of this entire blog.  What exactly does the ACLU do that offends you?  They talk.  Unlike James here, they don’t even threaten to break anyone’s nose; they just talk.  They talk to the media, they talk to the courts.  But they’re completely impotent; all they have it talk.

	In contrast, government has power.  In particular, the courts have the power to tell the ACLU that their positions are ridiculous, or at least unsupported by facts or law.  And they have the power to do the opposite, and impose those views on the rest of us.

	In short, I believe in free speech.  I believe that everyone - the Christian Coalition, the National Rifle Association, the ACLU, my mom - has the right to petition the government for redress of grievances.  It doesn’t matter how nutty mom is, she still has that right.  But if a court started AGREEING with mom, that would be a problem, just as if the court started making nutty decisions supported by the Christian Coalition, the NRA, the ACLU, or even on its own initiative.

	I support your right to bitch, too.  You disagree with the ACLU, and are saying so; good for you.  But don’t delude yourself that the ACLU has any other power than the power you have: the power to bitch.  Courts, and the legislature, and the executive, the Constitution - that’s where the power lies.  They seem like more appropriate targets for your (and my) wrath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But this goes to the heart of this entire blog.  What exactly does the ACLU do that offends you?  They talk.  Unlike James here, they don’t even threaten to break anyone’s nose; they just talk.  They talk to the media, they talk to the courts.  But they’re completely impotent; all they have it talk.</p>
<p>	In contrast, government has power.  In particular, the courts have the power to tell the ACLU that their positions are ridiculous, or at least unsupported by facts or law.  And they have the power to do the opposite, and impose those views on the rest of us.</p>
<p>	In short, I believe in free speech.  I believe that everyone &#8211; the Christian Coalition, the National Rifle Association, the ACLU, my mom &#8211; has the right to petition the government for redress of grievances.  It doesn’t matter how nutty mom is, she still has that right.  But if a court started AGREEING with mom, that would be a problem, just as if the court started making nutty decisions supported by the Christian Coalition, the NRA, the ACLU, or even on its own initiative.</p>
<p>	I support your right to bitch, too.  You disagree with the ACLU, and are saying so; good for you.  But don’t delude yourself that the ACLU has any other power than the power you have: the power to bitch.  Courts, and the legislature, and the executive, the Constitution &#8211; that’s where the power lies.  They seem like more appropriate targets for your (and my) wrath.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/07/23/support-for-scouts-its-about-time/comment-page-1/#comment-33766</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure....ahem, the judicial branch sucks too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure&#8230;.ahem, the judicial branch sucks too.</p>
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		<title>By: nobody.really</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/07/23/support-for-scouts-its-about-time/comment-page-1/#comment-33765</link>
		<dc:creator>nobody.really</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frist is a politician.  He&#039;s adept at appealing to a majoritarian view.  He&#039;s perhaps not quite so concerned with the rights of minorities.

	As Frist (and James) correctly observe, most Scouts are good kids, doing good stuff.  But they fail to note that most atheists and agnostics are good kids, doing good stuff, too.  When government discriminates in favor of some people and against others on the basis of religion, well, for better or worse the Founders seemed to think that this was something we should avoid.

	Think of it this way:  Most whites are good people, too.  But if a whites-only organization wanted to gain access to government property that wasn&#039;t offered to other organizations, you can bet that a lawsuit would result.  Would you object to such a suit?

	Also, the ACLU seems like a poor choice of whipping-boy here.  The COURTS concluded that the practice was illegal; shouldn&#039;t you be venting your spleen about them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frist is a politician.  He&#8217;s adept at appealing to a majoritarian view.  He&#8217;s perhaps not quite so concerned with the rights of minorities.</p>
<p>	As Frist (and James) correctly observe, most Scouts are good kids, doing good stuff.  But they fail to note that most atheists and agnostics are good kids, doing good stuff, too.  When government discriminates in favor of some people and against others on the basis of religion, well, for better or worse the Founders seemed to think that this was something we should avoid.</p>
<p>	Think of it this way:  Most whites are good people, too.  But if a whites-only organization wanted to gain access to government property that wasn&#8217;t offered to other organizations, you can bet that a lawsuit would result.  Would you object to such a suit?</p>
<p>	Also, the ACLU seems like a poor choice of whipping-boy here.  The COURTS concluded that the practice was illegal; shouldn&#8217;t you be venting your spleen about them?</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 02:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heck yeah!  I&#039;m an Eagle Scout and Vigil Honor Member and ANYONE that tells me the Boy Scouts don&#039;t deserve to gather in our country is gonna get one hell of a broken nose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heck yeah!  I&#8217;m an Eagle Scout and Vigil Honor Member and ANYONE that tells me the Boy Scouts don&#8217;t deserve to gather in our country is gonna get one hell of a broken nose.</p>
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		<title>By: Malebranche</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/07/23/support-for-scouts-its-about-time/comment-page-1/#comment-33763</link>
		<dc:creator>Malebranche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2005 16:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry that was one liberal Lt. Governor not Senator my mistake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry that was one liberal Lt. Governor not Senator my mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: Malebranche</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/07/23/support-for-scouts-its-about-time/comment-page-1/#comment-33762</link>
		<dc:creator>Malebranche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2005 16:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen to Senator Frist. The ACLU is completley backwards on this issue. They choose to support NAMBLA over the boy scouts! Additionally, the left does lack good leadership and that is obvious. Just read my most recent post (http://frustratedphilosophers.blogspot.com/2005/07/liberals-now-protest-at-funerals.html) to see how one liberal Senator protets at one soldier&#039;s funeral. Also Dean, John Kerry, Bill Clinton, and many more are examples of horrible liberal leadership. Great Post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen to Senator Frist. The ACLU is completley backwards on this issue. They choose to support NAMBLA over the boy scouts! Additionally, the left does lack good leadership and that is obvious. Just read my most recent post (<a href="http://frustratedphilosophers.blogspot.com/2005/07/liberals-now-protest-at-funerals.html" rel="nofollow">http://frustratedphilosophers.blogspot.com/2005/07/liberals-now-protest-at-funerals.html</a>) to see how one liberal Senator protets at one soldier&#8217;s funeral. Also Dean, John Kerry, Bill Clinton, and many more are examples of horrible liberal leadership. Great Post!</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harry Reid??? Joseph, are you serious?  Your party DOES lack leadership.  That&#039;s not saying you don&#039;t have a moderate senator or two, but that you lack moderate &quot;leadership.&quot;  Your party needs to be taken back away from the socialist.  The right keeps telling the left exactly what they need to do, but the left shrugs it off.  The left lacks leadership to take their party back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harry Reid??? Joseph, are you serious?  Your party DOES lack leadership.  That&#8217;s not saying you don&#8217;t have a moderate senator or two, but that you lack moderate &#8220;leadership.&#8221;  Your party needs to be taken back away from the socialist.  The right keeps telling the left exactly what they need to do, but the left shrugs it off.  The left lacks leadership to take their party back.</p>
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