Comments on: Enemy Within Part III http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/07/20/enemy-within-part-iii/ Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer Mon, 13 Feb 2012 04:21:03 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Conservative Thinking http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/07/20/enemy-within-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-33680 Conservative Thinking Sun, 23 Oct 2005 03:09:59 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/07/20/enemy-within-part-iii/#comment-33680 <strong>A Letter To ACLU Supporters</strong> Hello, this is Jay from Stop The ACLU. Chris has invited me to guest post here sometimes. Thought I would start this out with this post, because it is a nice short summary of why I am against the ACLU.... A Letter To ACLU Supporters
Hello, this is Jay from Stop The ACLU. Chris has invited me to guest post here sometimes. Thought I would start this out with this post, because it is a nice short summary of why I am against the ACLU….

]]> By: The Museum of Left Wing Lunacy http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/07/20/enemy-within-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-33679 The Museum of Left Wing Lunacy Sat, 08 Oct 2005 17:54:19 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/07/20/enemy-within-part-iii/#comment-33679 <strong>Rage Against The Machine</strong> What we are fighting is a money machine. Headquartered in New York City, the ACLU has 53 staffed affiliates in major cities, more than 300 chapters nationwide, and a legislative office in Washington, D.C. The ACLU Foundation (ACLUF) is... Rage Against The Machine
What we are fighting is a money machine. Headquartered in New York City, the ACLU has 53 staffed affiliates in major cities, more than 300 chapters nationwide, and a legislative office in Washington, D.C. The ACLU Foundation (ACLUF) is…

]]> By: Stop The ACLU &#38;#187; Blog Archive &#38;#187; Rage Against The Machine http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/07/20/enemy-within-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-33678 Stop The ACLU &#38;#187; Blog Archive &#38;#187; Rage Against The Machine Fri, 07 Oct 2005 21:33:01 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/07/20/enemy-within-part-iii/#comment-33678 [...] Folks, this place is supposed to be more than just a blog, it is supposed to be a real grassroots movement, so we&#8217;ve got to motivate you to get involved. We have to expand and reach out, recruit others to the movement. Everyday this money machine goes to war with America&#8217;s moral fabric, fighting for the enemy, pedophiles, and anything that goes along with its liberal agenda for America; and they have the funds to be successful in it. [...] [...] Folks, this place is supposed to be more than just a blog, it is supposed to be a real grassroots movement, so we&#38;#8217;ve got to motivate you to get involved. We have to expand and reach out, recruit others to the movement. Everyday this money machine goes to war with America&#38;#8217;s moral fabric, fighting for the enemy, pedophiles, and anything that goes along with its liberal agenda for America; and they have the funds to be successful in it. [...]

]]> By: Fear Factory http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/07/20/enemy-within-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-33677 Fear Factory Wed, 07 Sep 2005 13:53:49 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/07/20/enemy-within-part-iii/#comment-33677 Charlie And The Factory Charlie And The Factory

]]> By: Depression Glass http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/07/20/enemy-within-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-33676 Depression Glass Fri, 02 Sep 2005 12:11:38 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/07/20/enemy-within-part-iii/#comment-33676 Sliding Glass Door Sliding Glass Door

]]> By: good http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/07/20/enemy-within-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-33675 good Thu, 01 Sep 2005 19:54:15 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/07/20/enemy-within-part-iii/#comment-33675 Your blog is very interesint Your blog is very interesint

]]> By: nobody.really http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/07/20/enemy-within-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-33674 nobody.really Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:57:48 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/07/20/enemy-within-part-iii/#comment-33674 “The ACLU states that the language of the grants [from the Ford Foundation and the Rockefeller Foundation] are too vague and could have a ‘chilling effect’ on civil liberties. Vague? I don’t know how the organizations could have been more clear.” You’re right, it couldn’t be more clear. And there’s no reason the ACLU should agree to abandon the civil liberties of US soldiers. The Ford Foundation bars recipients from engaging in any activity that “promotes violence, terrorism bigotry, or the destruction of any state.” US soldiers are trained for the express purpose of engaging in violence, and attacked Iraq for the express purpose of destroying that state. Obviously the ACLU would reject this requirement. The Rockefeller Foundation says recipients may not “directly or indirectly engage in, promote, or support other organizations or individuals who engage in or promote terrorist activity.” Throughout the 1980s US military personnel were involved with training Osama bin Laden and others to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan. Throughout the administration of the first President Bush, US personnel aided Saddam Hussain in his war against Iran, even as Hussain oppressed his own people and used poison gas on the battlefield. Clearly many US personnel have, directly or indirectly, supported those who engaged in terrorist activities. Whether or not we like these past policies, this is no basis to refrain from defending a person’s civil liberties today. Come on, guys. If the ACLU really wanted to be a terrorist organization, why wouldn’t they simply take the money and then hide their actions? The ACLU made a principled stand, even through it cost them a lot. Standing up for our troops - and for principle - is noble, not nafarious. “The ACLU states that the language of the grants [from the Ford Foundation and the Rockefeller Foundation] are too vague and could have a ‘chilling effect’ on civil liberties. Vague? I don’t know how the organizations could have been more clear.”

You’re right, it couldn’t be more clear. And there’s no reason the ACLU should agree to abandon the civil liberties of US soldiers.

The Ford Foundation bars recipients from engaging in any activity that “promotes violence, terrorism bigotry, or the destruction of any state.” US soldiers are trained for the express purpose of engaging in violence, and attacked Iraq for the express purpose of destroying that state. Obviously the ACLU would reject this requirement.

The Rockefeller Foundation says recipients may not “directly or indirectly engage in, promote, or support other organizations or individuals who engage in or promote terrorist activity.” Throughout the 1980s US military personnel were involved with training Osama bin Laden and others to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan. Throughout the administration of the first President Bush, US personnel aided Saddam Hussain in his war against Iran, even as Hussain oppressed his own people and used poison gas on the battlefield. Clearly many US personnel have, directly or indirectly, supported those who engaged in terrorist activities. Whether or not we like these past policies, this is no basis to refrain from defending a person’s civil liberties today.

Come on, guys. If the ACLU really wanted to be a terrorist organization, why wouldn’t they simply take the money and then hide their actions? The ACLU made a principled stand, even through it cost them a lot. Standing up for our troops – and for principle – is noble, not nafarious.

]]> By: Jay http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/07/20/enemy-within-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-33673 Jay Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:53:48 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/07/20/enemy-within-part-iii/#comment-33673 Thanks John, I understand you've had a lot going on. Thanks John, I understand you’ve had a lot going on.

]]> By: John http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/07/20/enemy-within-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-33672 John Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:23:58 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/07/20/enemy-within-part-iii/#comment-33672 Jay, About your trackbacks...I'm in the middle of moving and should be settled in next week...I'll fix it all then. John Jay,

About your trackbacks…I’m in the middle of moving and should be settled in next week…I’ll fix it all then.

John

]]> By: Jay http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/07/20/enemy-within-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-33671 Jay Thu, 21 Jul 2005 20:59:12 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/07/20/enemy-within-part-iii/#comment-33671 Thats very cool RR! Comin to see your post now. Thats very cool RR! Comin to see your post now.

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