The Constitution Does Not Reflect People’s Will
Posted on July 13, 2005
Peter Eliasberg, an ACLU attorney may have well gone on to say, “and don’t you Christians forget it…”. Eliasberg is representing the ACLU in Los Angeles County in a lawsuit, which has spurned a petition drive by a non-profit group called the Los Angeles County Heritage Coalition to bring back the original county seal that has been targeted by the ACLU for it’s Christian images.
Los Angeles City Councilwoman Janice Hahn and county Supervisor Mike Antonovich are leading the supporters to reinstate the original seal. Ms. Hahn’s father designed the seal and she has stressed that the seal originally was designed to reflect the history of the people of the area, not a single religion.
Peter Eliasberg, the ACLU attorney who is seeking the change of the seal stated,
“Unlike many other government decisions, things that are prohibited by the Constitution cannot be changed by the will of the people, any more than the voters of Los Angeles could vote to close all the synagogues or all the mosques.”
So, the ACLU wishes to have religious symbols removed from the court.
BUT, in North Carolina the opposite is the case…
The ACLU of North Carolina has called on the state Administrative Office of the Courts to adopt a policy allowing the Quran and other religious texts for oath-taking in North Carolina courtrooms. Guilford Senior Resident Superior Court Judge W. Douglas Albright and Guilford Chief District Court Judge Joseph E. Turner decided that they could not accept the Koran or other religious texts for courtroom use after an attempt by Muslims from the Al-Ummil Ummat Islamic Center in Greensboro to donate copies of the Quran to Guilford County’s two courthouses last month.
Seth Cohen of Greensboro an ACLU attorney, is arguing that the judge’s decision is a violation of the First Amendment establishment clause by favoring one religion over another. The key to the argument is interpretation of the original 1856 state Supreme Court decision which was called “Administration of oath upon the Gospels” that was revised by legislators in 1985 who took out “the Gospels” in the title and changed the language to simply read “Holy Scriptures”. The ACLU is arguing that the Koran is considered “Holy Scriptures” and should be accepted for the swearing in of witnesses in the courtrooms.
So, in this instance the ACLU wishes to include even more religious symbols in the court.
Now, isn’t this a farce? Does the ACLU really want religion to be part of our courts or not? It would appear that as long as there is a possible reason to sue, the ACLU doesn’t care to what end purpose the lawsuit will have. That doesn’t reflect practicing good law, it reflects greed. In both cases, should a lawsuit actually come about the people of these states will pay and pay dearly for a ruling. Rulings that, if the ACLU has their way, would be in direct opposition of each other.
This was written by Kathy and stolen by me. heheh! In my opinion, I could care less if the ACLU succeed in having the Koran accepted into the court to be sweared upon. But I believe the point in this post is to point out the hypocrisy of how they try to take Christian symbols out and put other religions in. At least they are not fighting to have the Bible taken out, or at least not yet. Well as the saying goes…The ACLU doesn’t hate religion, just Christianity.
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Sheer craziness. That is going a little over the top, to me. I can *kind of* see the huge 10 Commandments thing, but this is just going overboard. Why does this not surprise me though….
The hypocracy is killing me! They don’t want religion…then they want some types of religion. It’s this kind of illogical reasoning that makes me not trust or like the ACLU.
Sorry Jay, got your message about posting this just now – I worked last night and just woke up.
Thanks for posting this at Stop the ACLU – why anyone would support such a hypocritical organization like the ACLU is beyond me. It is not about liberty’s or individual freedoms with them – it is really a lawyer driven money machine abusing the system and dumb individuals who think that the bottom dwelling mud sucking shark attorneys representing them really care.
Is Eliasbergh an idiot? “things that are prohibited by the Constitution cannot be changed by the will of the people…” Does he not know about the amendment process? The Constitution is changed by the Amendment procedure, which has to be ratified by each state. The ratification comes by way of represenatives that in fact, are the people. I never spent one day in law school, and I know that much. I guess he was sick the day they taught that part. Moron…
Kathy, because the ACLU is just like the NRA…. I support both organizations despite the fact that the ACLU supports NAMBLA, and despite the fact that the NRA supports machine guns in every home. Know what I mean?
Why do we need to swear on anything? What happen to on your honor to do the correct thing? I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. That’s all.
However, have you ever tried to tell the whole truth under oath? The judge will most likely direct you to answer the question presented to you. Now, how can one tell the whole truth if no one ever asks them? The oath itself is flawed regardless of who or what you swear to.
Gun Toting Lib – No, I don’t know what you mean. I think supporting organizations that are filled with gray area (i.e. in direct conflict with themselves) is hazardous to everyone’s health. I am not sure that the NRA falls into this category though – to do so their policy would be to put a machine gun in every childs hand and take it away from their parents, then you could compare it to the ACLU. Read this and see why the ACLU is hazardous to everyone’s health.
CL – as a proclaimed atheist (so say you) you can swear on a roll of toilet paper for all I care. Anything coming out of your mouth, is equivalent to what is coming out of your ***. But hey, thanks for sharing your input anyway…
Kathy, Love the attitude. It must be god’s will portrayed through your potty mouth.
I give nothing less than a sensible comment and look what I get.
LOL, cl – don’t you have anything better in life to do then check back every hour here to see how people respond to you? As to the matter of your rebuttal, I see that you are not beyond a shot below the belt either. (Which is basically what I said to begin with). The sick part of it all is obviously you enjoy pot(ty) shots or you wouldn’t keep coming back for more. Now tell me this, what is sensible about that behavior?
You guys are always good for a laugh.
I treat people as they treat me, nothing more, nothing less.